Glee is a popular television show about a high school glee club, for those of you who haven't seen it.
They are currently promoting helping others through their Members Project.
In this particular ad, they are getting books ready to trade with other schools or organizations.
Anyways, Artie says something like "I was more of a Hardy Boys fan myself." Kurt then replies, "Hardy boys? Please....what's going on there?" and raises an eyebrow.
I'm not 100% sure that is exactly what was said but it's the main part. I wasn't too happy about what they were implying BUT at least they were mentioned, right? :)
I was trying to find it online but haven't come across it yet.
Well, nice find for a Hardy Boys mention anyway. That's always cool. I was looking at IMDB's page for The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew Mysteries and there're some listings of references made to the show (or The Hardy Boys in general) on there, including one on That '70s Show- which seems pretty fitting. (Apparently, it involved Kelso discovering that the local public library had all the issues of Playboy [which I assure you no public library would ever carry that]- but Eric goes on a quest for the issue that "Nancy Drew" on the TV show appeared in and states that she was portrayed by Pamela Sue Martin.) There's a few other mentions on there but that was the main show I recognized. (And if anyone wasn't aware, Pamela Sue Martin did in fact appear on the cover of Playboy after leaving the TV show- Harriet Adams wasn't real happy about that. I'm not either- I've only read about this online, as I definitely don't read or approve of the magazine and I don't always like That '70s Show- but some aspects of it can be funny for the 1970s nostalgia when they can keep it clean.)
Quote from: MacGyver on November 14, 2010, 11:00:17 PM
I've only read about this online, as I definitely don't read or approve of the magazine and I don't always like That '70s Show- but some aspects of it can be funny for the 1970s nostalgia when they can keep it clean.)
Well, the cover of that Playboy magazine made its way into
The Mysterious Case of Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys from 1997. But it was only the cover, and nothing else, so at least Pamela Sue Martin was covered int he picture.
Yeah- I've seen the cover online somewhere before and thankfully she was well covered there. I've heard some about that book you mentioned and most of it bad. Is it a good reference book for The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew or is it as bad as I've heard?
Its pretty bad. Back in 08 or 09 Simon & Schuster released an "updated" book, that only had a few extra pages of stuff, from what I've heard, talking about the end of the The Hardy Boys Mystery Stories and Nancy Drew Mystery Stories and the introduction of the Undercover Brothers and Girl Detective lines, but it was more about the psychology of why the old series ended and the new ones began, not really a great deal of background info. Plus the book was somewhere around $50 USD. If you already own the 90's version, then the new version is not really worth it, unless you find it used somewhere for less than $10.
Okay- that's pretty much what I'd surmised. I'm not real concerned with tracking this one down- if I happen to run across it somewhere for cheap- cool. But otherwise...nah.
I like it when they're referenced :)
Quote from: MacGyver on November 15, 2010, 09:04:53 PM
Yeah- I've seen the cover online somewhere before and thankfully she was well covered there. I've heard some about that book you mentioned and most of it bad. Is it a good reference book for The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew or is it as bad as I've heard?
It's about ND/HBs role in pop culture, and how and why they've lasted decade to decade (while giving thorough examples of each time period). I found it to be a very good and interesting read if you like that sort of thing. The general conclusion was ND/HBs are still loved because they stay current, they always keep their values, and then there's the adventure/mystery/extraordinary teens aspect. I didn't pay that much for a new copy ($20 at the
very most), but it was a while ago.
Like
Captain Santa Claus said, though, it's not a background information source. I never thought so, but maybe it's (unfortunately) mis-advertised somewhere.
That makes more sense given the title of the book. I'm sure it would be an interesting read but nothing I didn't really already know. It's cool though if it makes the case for why The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew have endured in popularity for well over 80 years now and why they are still worth reading for those who are not familiar with them. I know why I like these books and I would agree- they have managed to stay current but they have also stayed true to their values. This is a key reason why I get upset about seeing any kind of foul language in the newer series of books.
Sadly, the publishers and "powers that be" want to keep more current. I don't see why HBs or anyone NEEDS foul language to be cool or whatever.
What's the worst they have said? I haven't read many UBs.
I can't recall. One of the more minor ones was something like: "********?" which is not the worst thing, but it stands out nonetheless. I know there were more specific words in a couple of the books.
I think the most recent case was in the Super Mystery #3 Gold Medal Murder, if I have any kind of a memory.
Okay, I'm not saying that phrase is awesome or anything, but I don't know if I would call it swearing. At school, yes it is inappropriate. But in general terms, it's not the end of the world. "What the heck" is probably better for HB novels though. :)
It is still considered foul language for some (well, for me anyway.) And I would certainly be happier with "What the heck?" though that's still a euphemism anyway. I suppose I'm glad it's nothing worse, but mild or otherwise, I don't want to see any swearing in Hardy Boys books.
There was one or two specific words that did shock me a bit, and it was either very close to cursing or straight-out cursing. I seem to be remembering a bit more because I think one was the "D" word.
On TV it's nothing, only because we kind of just watch and gloss over it at times, but reading it in one of these books is seriously not good and out of place. I think I actually stopped for a moment 'cause it was a surprise.
I think in this case it's who is using that language. If it was one of the bad guys at least, that would be better because then we would at least be associating bad language with the bad guys- but the good guys don't use foul language. Of course, I'd still rather not have even the bad guys swearing because I really don't need to see those words repeated anywhere and I certainly don't want younger kids to be reading them and repeating them. Sadly as a society in general we've let ourselves become rather desensitized to these kinds of words and don't notice it as much on TV and in movies- but they really shouldn't be acceptable there. I'm certainly not the best with this either (i.e. While I don't curse/swear, I do let some words go by in movies and TV too often), but I do try to avoid coarse language and swearing both in my speech and in what I hear overall.
I really think the Undercover Brothers in general is a sad chapter in the history of The Hardy Boys- no offense to fans of this series. But from all I've read about the series, it makes me less inclined to want to read them... (even though I do have copies of the books...) And this isn't just about swearing in the books- there's also just it seems kinda sloppy writing in general and the overreaching aims at being hip and relevant to kids which to me just comes off as being too much. And I don't care much for the first person style, but that's just a personal preference. But that actually is something different I must say- and probably is a good style for kids because it puts them in the action and makes them able to identify with the characters and feel that they really are experiencing the book. So it can be a good thing. And the ATAC premise is not necessarily a bad motif either- certainly the target audience of young boys eats up that kind of scenario- I know I would've loved it at the age of 12 or so...(and it's really been already in both the originals, the '70s show and the Casefiles to some degree or another...) -Anyway, I will eventually plow into reading some of these, but with all the negative things I've been hearing on them, I'm almost wondering if it will die out sometime soon- but that makes me sad too because if it does it might be the end of The Hardy Boys series altogether.... sigh- who knows? Maybe I'm being overly crictical and some are better than others- and maybe better writing is yet to come in the series- there's always hope for the future.
No worries, I think a lot of us kind of think the same thing.
I definitely agree that society has turned a deaf ear to swearing. I can't flip channels around children in fear they will here all sorts of bad words. Don't even get me started on movies.
I am guilty of using a phrase or word once in awhile but I do try to keep it to a minimum. That, however, doesn't mean I think the Hardy Boys should incorporate it at all.
Phrases like "********" or "dang" or whatever...aren't really that bad. I agree it should be kept to the bad guys too. Sadly, in order to be more "current", it seems the current Franklin W. Dixon's are using what is normal in society as part of the UB world. I haven't found this to be offensive yet but television is only getting worse. I fear for what could happen to books...
Hardys are wholesome characters. They have good morals, values, and fight for justice. Okay, they do break in or break a law or two but nothing crazy.
I haven't read a whole lot of UBs. Sometimes I don't care for the first person either, but other times I find it funny to see/read how Joe would think or vice versa. I actually think that some of the new SuperMysteries with ND are more ....um....annoying. I read Terror on Tour and probably rolled my eyes several times. I didn't like how they were being portrayed.
Mac, I fear for the series too. However, the GNs and new casefile GNs have a promising future. I just wish they were in book stores for kids to read and enjoy. We could start a whole new fanbase.
Seems like right now...if you started liking the HBs, it's because someone else got you into them. I really feel that they should be more accessible for new readers.
Anyways, that's it for now. :)
Happened to run across the Glee commercial on Youtube- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLKhfEiQ9yw
Pretty stupid mention of The Hardy Boys... but at least they're remembered I guess.
Yay you found it :)
I wasn't thrilled either but hey...like you said...it's something.
At least they're not forgotten... I was helping teach a class and Sherlock Holmes was brought up, then one of the kids said "Who's Sherlock Holmes?" We were totally shocked! Kids today... they don't even read.... The classics are all being forgotten! :(
Kids should at least know who Sherlock Holmes is from the Robert Downey, Jr. movie- though even that is a pretty horrible reason to know Sherlock Holmes. (Sorry- but did not care for that movie at all- they definitely did a messed up portrayal- stick with Basil Rathbone.)
And definitely- read the Sir Arthur Conan Doyle classics! We wouldn't have The Hardy Boys or any other mystery series if not for him creating the all time master detective (yes, even Batman falls right behind him ;))- Sherlock Holmes! 8)
(I grew up reading the short stories and longer ones and these are some of my favorites of the classics- though I enjoy a number of other authors too.)
They didn't know who Sherlock Holmes is??? That's like the kindergartner that didn't know who the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are!! :o
I haven't read all of the classics, to be honest. I haven't even read the whole Harry Potter series. lol I will agree that we are entering an age where less and less people actual read a book. Magazines, Kindle, maybe....but actual hardcover or paperback books...sadly, not as much.
They are free to rent from the library too. So you can't say you don't read because you don't have money. If you live without a library available, that's different.
It's a shame.
QuoteThey didn't know who Sherlock Holmes is??? That's like the kindergartner that didn't know who the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are!!
Surprising as that is- and as much as I love the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles- I think I'd be more concerned about kids being familiar with great literature like Sherlock Holmes over the TMNT comics and cartoons- lol. Of course, I like to help keep folks educated about both. ;D
Quotehaven't read all of the classics, to be honest. I haven't even read the whole Harry Potter series.
Just to clarify-that's not what I was referring to as "the classics"- lol ;) (But I noticed your "even" for distinction there.)
Of course, I wonder what "the classics" even means to kids today, at least in the realm of literature.
I think "the classics" and I think- Mark Twain, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Johann Wyss, Daniel Defoe, Charles Kingsley, Anna Sewell, L. Frank Baum, Lewis Carroll, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, Robert Louis Stevenson, Jack London, Edgar Allan Poe, Louisa May Alcott, Rudyard Kipling, and plenty others I've forgotten to name, I'm sure- and poets beside. And The Bible is always the number one classic!
I have nothing against Kindles but I still like actual hardback and paperback books better.
And I'm not gonna act like a literary snob and say that I only read the classics- I'm pretty sure I've read a lot of literature that would not be quite so classic- lol - I like a lot of children's literature- but older books usually although I do try to stay up on newer books as well (and this is what I'm referring to as "not quite as classic"- but it's classic to me.) and The Hardy Boys chief among that genre of course. :D
Mac,
Do you write at all? You always have well put thoughts. I seem to ramble and fragment my thoughts. Perhaps that's because that is how I hear them in my head.
Oh now I sound crazy. lol
Anyways, I probably should clarify that I don't think HP is actually a classic yet. Not in the category of Mark Twain or something. I kind of figured you were talking about the oldies. :)
TMNT is one of my faves but is somewhat around...or was. Nickelodeon took it and is supposed to have something out in the next year or so. I hope they don't ruin it. I should also add that the kid I was talking to about them had a shirt WITH THEM ON IT and didn't know who they were. Or maybe he spoke mostly Spanish and wasn't sure what I was talking about. That's actually possible. LOL
Yes a cartoon is not as important as a classic character like Sherlock Holmes (or of course our HBs) BUT it's more current, and they STILL don't know what it is.
Perhaps THAT is what I was going to get across.
Oh I don't know anymore....sometimes my brains are scrambled. lol
QuoteOh now I sound crazy. lol
No way- you sound fine. It's true that writing and speech and especially thoughts don't all flow the same, but sometimes it's nice to have things written out to sound like a conversation. That's actually good writing if you can make it sound conversative- it flows like a story being told orally.
QuoteYes a cartoon is not as important as a classic character like Sherlock Holmes (or of course our HBs) BUT it's more current, and they STILL don't know what it is.
Perhaps THAT is what I was going to get across.
Yeah, I see that clearly now. And that is true.
QuoteTMNT is one of my faves but is somewhat around...or was. Nickelodeon took it and is supposed to have something out in the next year or so. I hope they don't ruin it. I should also add that the kid I was talking to about them had a shirt WITH THEM ON IT and didn't know who they were. Or maybe he spoke mostly Spanish and wasn't sure what I was talking about. That's actually possible. LOL
That is pretty bad to be wearing a T-shirt and not know who the Turtles are- lol. But seriously- it could be that he's Hispanic and hasn't grown up with the show in his native country or just didn't understand what you meant by "turtles". If you had said "tortugas" perhaps. ;)
(Freetranslation.com renders "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" in Spanish as - "El Mutante adolescente Ninja Tortugas" :D)
Nickelodeon is supposed to be doing a new TV series sometime this year I think. And supposedly there's a new movie coming, but I don't think the CGI
TMNT panned out the way the creators wanted. Although I did enjoy the movie- saw it in theaters. I still love the first three though- especially with Jim Henson's Creature Shop doing the Turtle costumes for the first two movies- those are great! 8)
I just wish Lionsgate would finally release Seasons 9 and 10 of the original classic 1980s cartoon so I can have the whole series on DVD!
QuoteMac,
Do you write at all? You always have well put thoughts. I seem to ramble and fragment my thoughts. Perhaps that's because that is how I hear them in my head.
Aw- well, thanks. I do like to write and have contributed to some publications here and there. If anything I say sounds slightly coherent, it's all from God's blessings. And you do just fine yourself. :D
Quote from: hardygirl847 on January 06, 2011, 05:13:27 PM
They didn't know who Sherlock Holmes is??? That's like the kindergartner that didn't know who the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are!! :o
Yeah... :( It made me really sad, and I felt old fashioned for a moment!!! But then I told them it was a crime not to know so they should go look him up, NOT on the computer, but in the Library ;)
Hmm- that reminds me of a quote from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade from Dr. Henry Jones, Sr. (speaking to Nazis) - "It tells me that goose-stepping morons like yourselves should try reading books instead of burning them." (onto CDs.) ;D
Quote from: MacGyver on January 07, 2011, 09:54:29 AM
No way- you sound fine. It's true that writing and speech and especially thoughts don't all flow the same, but sometimes it's nice to have things written out to sound like a conversation. That's actually good writing if you can make it sound conversative- it flows like a story being told orally.
Yeah, I see that clearly now. And that is true.
That is pretty bad to be wearing a T-shirt and not know who the Turtles are- lol. But seriously- it could be that he's Hispanic and hasn't grown up with the show in his native country or just didn't understand what you meant by "turtles". If you had said "tortugas" perhaps. ;)
(Freetranslation.com renders "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" in Spanish as - "El Mutante adolescente Ninja Tortugas" :D)
Nickelodeon is supposed to be doing a new TV series sometime this year I think. And supposedly there's a new movie coming, but I don't think the CGI TMNT panned out the way the creators wanted. Although I did enjoy the movie- saw it in theaters. I still love the first three though- especially with Jim Henson's Creature Shop doing the Turtle costumes for the first two movies- those are great! 8)
I just wish Lionsgate would finally release Seasons 9 and 10 of the original classic 1980s cartoon so I can have the whole series on DVD!Aw- well, thanks. I do like to write and have contributed to some publications here and there. If anything I say sounds slightly coherent, it's all from God's blessings. And you do just fine yourself. :D
Haha thanks Mac. I try. :) I actually write poems and hardy boys fanfic. Those I tend to write completely different than when I'm on forums. :) Again, thanks though.
LOL about the Spanish translation. :) There's even a possibility that he got the shirt from a secondhand store and didn't know who they were because he didn't see them on tv, etc. They aren't around as much as they used to be.
I keep forgetting it's 2011. lol I thought Nickelodeon was planning on something 2012 but it could be this year. That would be awesome! I LOVED TMNT and I own it. HEHE I actually have some of the older shows too. Probably more from the 2003 era of Turtles but omgosh I love them. I don't have the 80s series on DVD but I hope they release those too. So silly to NOT release them but whatever. I don't understand those big corporations sometimes.
Quote from: MacGyver on January 07, 2011, 12:51:13 PM
Hmm- that reminds me of a quote from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade from Dr. Henry Jones, Sr. (speaking to Nazis) - "It tells me that goose-stepping morons like yourselves should try reading books instead of burning them." (onto CDs.) ;D
LOL awesome!
Quote from: JoeHardyRocks on January 07, 2011, 11:40:21 AM
Yeah... :( It made me really sad, and I felt old fashioned for a moment!!! But then I told them it was a crime not to know so they should go look him up, NOT on the computer, but in the Library ;)
Agreed. I hope there's never a day where we don't need libraries. That would be tragic.